Earthly Matters


#1

I would like to propose a subcategory for Science, which would be about our home planet Earth. This subcategory is about all things sciencey about Earth, be it geological, meteorological, oceanographic, climatological, ecological … etc., just not woo woo navel gazing … !


#2

To kick this off I would like to place on the table the matter of the wildfires in the west United States, specifically California.

My point is if we had proper land management we would not have this problem. We seem to be operating under the idea of letting nature run its course, which is fine, but not where humans live. We need to go back to cutting down old growth forests to let new ones grow. Naturally this is done by fires, but around human populations we just can’t do this. By managing the land, cutting down old growth and planting new we can mimic nature without burning whole neighborhood to ashes.

Thoughts?


#3

We have had the same locally here in the Sounth East of the UK. for a long time the nature lobby won out and stopped the management of Ashdown Forset (Where Whinne the Pooh is from) and surrounding woodlands … to the point that it had detrmental affects on the wildlife. These areas have been managed by man for so long now that withdrawing that management caused a lot of issues including higher fire risks. Now they are finally doing controlled burns of the heather and copeseing the woodland again and it is having a marked effect. They are also cutting down the fast growing pine trees planted in the area after WW2 to replace what was taken. These are not natual to the area they are re-planting with broad leaf slower growing trees as that is what should be there. This is all costing large amounts of money to undo what the do-gooders did. Good sensible management can be very good for local wildlife whilst reducing fire risk. I would agree where properity and life is not at risk letting nature take its course is a sensible and fiscally responseable idea. However in areas that have been heavily managed and around areas where property and llife may be at stake it is just not sensible to go backwards. I hope your authorites see sense. Controlled burns and cutting out of old/dead wood etc is just good sensible steps to take for safety and it may turn out for wildlife.


#4

There’s really no silver bullet that mitigates wildfires on the scale that we’re seeing. They’re a product of a multitude of things beyond just bad management of lands:

-Climate change making wind patterns that exacerbate fires occur earlier and last longer
-2016-2017’s wet winter generating more growth for fuel
-2017-2018’s drought, plus Summer 2018’s record heat drying out that fuel

And one that almost everyone overlooks but is likely the most important in terms of loss of property and life:

-The encroachment of urbanization on wildlands

The LA Times has a pretty good article from 2017 about the fires then and the factors that goes into their cause: Why the 2017 fire season has been one of California’s worst - Los Angeles Times


#5

I’ll take your word on the article (apprently both my home ans VPN location are on the naughty countries list for the LA Times.) indeed those issues excerbate the situation good managent close to populations would/should help that would include expanding into wild areas. The latter not being such an issue in the UK we basically have very little of a natural areas left they are nearly all managed in one way or another. Lets not forget though the choice to not do something is also in a way managment. You are right though no silver bullet :frowning: but maybe a few bullets with silver tips?


#6

Hmm… I may have put this post in the wrong place … maybe it needs its own thread?

Was thinking about space suits…especially while on Mars… and thinking how inconvenient they were especially if you had an itch somewhere…

so I thought maybe something like a “john carter” 4 arm white ape of Basoon (without a head) suit could work well… image

The smaller lower arms would be used if needed for more fine manipulation where the pilot would stick his real arms into them.

At other times the “pilot” could use the larger external arms. Like these from skeletonics. Notice that the “pilot” can scratch his face and fix his hair (2:10 mark of the video) …and you probably wont need the feet mechanics. It may be heavy but Mars gravity is weak… Exoskeleton Suit by Skeletonics - Project Jarvis

At the very least it would be a good workout :slight_smile: and you can scratch your …


#7

BlockquoteThe encroachment of urbanization on wildlands

Granted. Nevertheless, what is better for humans? Is it better for humans to concentrated in large urban areas or spread out across the land?


#8

Sounds like we’ve got a good topic for the return of TMRO:Cities :wink:


#9

Don’t forget arsonists…


#10

Yes. Find the best way to bring back and strengthen the original TMRO: Cities hosts, and leverage/capture/focus the interest and energy that they obviously have.

Another thought for Cities… Do not focus solely on big, modern, western cities. There are gigantic, sprawling, struggling, infrastructure-lacking cities out there that might be good subjects for analysis and discussion by TMRO.


#11

I also feel it would behoove TMRO:Cities to talk about the future challenges of rural areas as well. That really fascinates me.


#12

I have a love/concern perspective on urban areas. I love the idea of the community and culture and being able to explore human diversity within walking distance. I am concerned that concentrated populations present many problems. First, is that concentrated populations are susceptible to disease and its rapid spread. Second, there will be different cultures that will clash. Third, concentrated populations are targets for attacks be it mere violent protests or hard striking terrorist attacks.

I have seen proposals for huge urban structures, basically space colonies on Earth. These would allow us to have a much smaller impact on the ecology. They are cool at first look, but they could become cages.

Perhaps, spreading ourselves is best. Small communities are more socially human than large ones.

We have the gift of being able to communicate and work via the internet makes us less dependent on locality.

I believe that a more dispersed community is better than a concentrated community.


#13

I think that’d be a neat perspective that not many techy shows cover. I love watching the design, research and tech that goes into helping people live outside of cities - like things that relate to living sustainably/off-grid etc

Also I love tiny houses.


#15

have you seen the treehouse builder tv show?


#16

No!? Did you have a link to it? It sound amazing!


#17

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=treehouse+masters


#18

I think the Earthly Matters topic suits the best for my worries(thoughts)

We have the most amazing spaceship - Earth
And here’s how we treat with it:

https://www.overshootday.org/

You can find your country here:

https://www.overshootday.org/newsroom/country-overshoot-days/

And


source:
https://www.overshootday.org/newsroom/past-earth-overshoot-days/

The prevailing behaviors in our civilization:

A Greed (as a dominant behavior).
B “Improper consciousness”. Illiteracy. Scientific illiteracy. Inability to think critically.
C Inability or/and unwillingness to see the consequences of our behavior (footprints of consuming).
D The way of thinking - I do not care. Excuses - I can not change anything so why should i care. Etc.

In the light of this, if we do not change our thinking and behavior, we will find ourselves in the Dinosaur Club.
It turns out that we are more foolish than a dinosaurs. We are acting like an idiot civilization.

Any chance to become multi-planetary civilization? Will we achieve civilization type 1?
If another civilization suffering from the same symptoms as we are.
Then we have a solution to the Fermi’s paradox.